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FAQs
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Can I add an ARB twin compressor to the bottom of my seat with Klima seats?No. The upgrade to going with scheel-mann's heated/cooled KLIMA seats means the mounting bracket gets a storage unit as part of the design. This was necessary to accomodate for the cooling fans and duct work on the KLIMA seats. The addition of the integrated storage means there is no remaining space under the storage unit. The internal volume of the storage units under our seat brackets would not accommodate a compressor either.
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The driver and passenger side mounting systems have rectangular cutouts for switches, right? The heating and cooling switches for the Klima are round? Do those fit well into the cutouts?The cut-outs on the face of the Klima pan are 20.5mm x 20.5mm square designed for OEM or OEM-style 22.5mm "cube" switches. The placement of these holes are for out of reach switch mounting locations primarily for those that have either run out of room on the dash OR are looking for out-of-the-way switch mounts. These square holes were never designed to work with the round temperature control switches from scheel-mann. This was done on purpose because we knew the location would be too awkward for controlling your seat temps but not awkward enough for random switch applications. The best location for the round switches are either on the console or in the dash as you will need to have easy access but also need to be able to see what the current control state of the switch is. Here you can see the cut-outs filled with aftermarket "cube-style" switches.
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Is storage an option on the Klima seat pans?No, we developed all KLIMA seat pans to come with storage by default. This was functionally necessary due to the addition of the cooling fans and duct work on the underside of the Klima seats.
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What is the install time for a pair of seats?This will obviously be varying depending on the skill and experience of the installer but generally speaking you can expect between 4-6 hours to install a pair of scheel-mann seats and a set of Tolerance STACK seat adapters. The passenger seat of course taking the bulk of the time due to the stock load-cells for the occupancy sensors.
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What if my late model Tacoma came with a powered seat?First issue is when you swap out your powered seat you will be swapping in a totally manual scheel-mann seat. Second issue is the driver side seat rails are specific to the powered seat and thus cannot be used in this application. But, the good news this is remedied by replacing your existing seat rails with manual seat rails. These can be found on EBAY or from a junk yard. When necessary we can sometimes hunt these down on your behalf. Contact us for more info.
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Why aren't armrest options available for my Tacoma?Simply put armrests will not fit. Between both the B-pillar and the center console there is no room to add an armrest without interfering.
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I don't have heated seats now, what do I need to add them?All scheel-mann seats come included with heated seats. If your truck never came with heated seats then all you will need is: • Switched power feed to power the heated seats • Ground location • Location to mount the switches to operate the seat heaters
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I have OEM seat heaters, how do I integrate the new seat heaters?We've taken the many extra steps to figure this out and make it as painless as possible. When ordering your seats you will be given the option to add the required harness and bracket to your order.
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Do I need to destroy my original seats in order to install your kit(s)?Technically, YES. The reason for this is you will need your original seat rails removed from the seats in order to correctly bolt on all of the components necessary for a proper install. You only need the driver side rails so the rest of the seat is fine. But on the passenger side you will also need the SRS computer and load-cell sensors. If you have a pristine set of seats that you plan on reselling on the open market then we recommend find a used set of rails from EBAY or a local junk yard.
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How do you move the seat back and forth and up and down?If you have manual seats now you are re-using your old seat rails, front seat slide handle, and seat belt mount. If you have powered seats now you will need a manual seat slider/handle donor. There is no up or down in a manual seat, same with our solution. But with with the scheel-mann seat you can extend the bottom of the seat for greater thigh support.
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Do you have or will have a system to bypass the sensors for both driver and passenger side?When discussing "sensors", there is a an occupancy sensor on the driver's side along with an airbag SRS connector for the side airbag mounted in the seat AND the seat belt sensor. Our system keeps that occupancy sensor and seatbelt sensor in place because you maintain your existing floor mounted seat rails with the Hall effect sensor. When you switch out to an aftermarket seat you eliminate the airbag, so we have a "proxy" that plugs in its place that allows the airbag system to continue functioning correctly, as if the side airbag was still there. Now on the passenger side there is no Hall effect sensor, it's instead a series of four sensors making up the load-cell. Our setup for the passenger keeps those four load cell sensors on the rail but in a new location. Our kit of course also does the same for the airbag via an additional airbag proxy and by also incorporating the existing passenger seatbelt.
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Is this finally an option to lower the seat?Lower? not necessarily. For the passenger side we spent an absurd amount of time to NOT go higher because of the load-cells which is what pushed us to actually move the load-cell locations. Now the passenger side is at the same height as OEM and we included the front rake that everyone complains about so no need for those jacker things. But on the driver side we had many options but all of our testing pointed us to where you see it now. It's basically at the same "butt height" as the oem setup but still moving the front edge up for added rake.
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The passenger seat is more expensive than the Tacoma driver's seat?That is correct. The driver side is easy and basically just a seat pan. Nothing else to worry about. The passenger side is a pain because you have the SRS, the seat belt, and the load-cell occupancy sensors to worry about. Especially given that the Tacoma SRS system is a three stage seatbelt restraining system and the front airbag is also three stage (OFF/CHILD/ADULT). To keep all of the system functioning happily with NO warning lights we had to go to great lengths to develop a happy working system. This isn't anywhere as simple as the driver side is.
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Is the heated seat still controlled from the dash buttons? Or is it a button on the seat?An inoperable button on the dash AND a replacement non-OEM button somewhere on the center console (that does the same function), didn't sit right with us. So we install a thermistor temp sensor, with the same outputs as your factory seat, into the Scheel-Mann seat. Then we tie back into the factory system allowing OEM button to operate like factory. We think that's pretty sick. ;)
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What if my Tacoma came with bench seats?To date we have not had access to confirm if our solution will work to convert an OEM bench-seat equipped Tacoma with dual bucket seats. We do however have some anecdotal evidence that it could still bolt in just fine but everything from the SRS, to the seat belt, to the occupancy sensors could be different for bench seats.
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Can the Klima seats be made to work in a Tacoma without OEM heaters?Yes both the heated Vario and heated/cooled Klima Vario seats can be outfitted onto your Tacoma without factory heated seats without an issue. Scheel-Mann supplies the wiring/switch kit needed depending on the seat type you decide.
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Do you know if the "Seat Jackers" used in addition to the Tolerance STACK bracket provided create an excessive lift?Ok so keep in mind that we designed the front seat angulation to basically mimic those seat jackers type products since so many were already using them. That means if you use seat jackers-type lifts you will make that angle on the front of the seat more extreme, by 3-4 degrees. Now you can get around that by adding spacers on the rear of the seats as well to match but of course you lose approx 1” of overall headroom in doing so. BTW, this is only if you are considering this for the drivers seat. Plenty of room under there. The passenger seat has cross-members redesigned and the load cell sensors are moved inboard so not a lot of usable space under there. We did design a storage box for both sides but the passenger one is too small for a compressor.
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I did have some follow up questions about your website and products. Looking at the install instructions it appears that you have to take apart the old drivers seat. I would prefer not to do that so I can re-install the seat when I go to sell the vehicle. Is there an option to purchase the Scheel Mann seat, Scheel Mann sliders, a seat belt mount and a mounting bracket so I can assemble a fully built out seat that I can just swap out and leave the original seat intact?Yes we actually do offer a service that will go to local dismantlers and purchase a set of used rails and associated components. This includes the rails which we will verify are in good working order and do our best to de-rust. We also grab the seat handle, seat belt bracket and wiring harnesses. This means you can keep your stock OEM seats without any destruction.
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Ok sorta interesting although for 5th gens... you're going from a power adjustable seat to manual adjusting, so isn't that already a downgrade?Correct, for those 5th Gen 4Runners that come with power adjustable seats, if you go ANY aftermarket direction you are switching out with a manual seat. There are those that will never give up that option and there are those that are more than happy to get rid of their stock seats for a myriad of reasons. Those reasons are subjective/very personal. For those looking to switch, we can help.
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Do Scheel-Mann seats come with built-in heaters?Yes, all Scheel-Mann seats come standard with built-in heaters. We also offer plug-and-play solutions to make installation easy. Additionally, you can get heated and ventilated seats with the Klima model. Our bracket setup is designed to handle both standard Vario and Klima seats.
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Is there a passenger kit available for the 4th Gen 4Runners?Currently, there is no passenger kit available for the 4th Gen 4Runners. The occupancy sensor for the passenger side is an integrated pressure pad/lower foam component, and we are actively working on a solution.
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Where does the mount put the scheel-mann seat in the FJ Cruiser since it has adjustable height seats from the factory?Unfortunately there is isn't a perfect measurement for this because the age and overall condition of the OEM seats changes any actual measurements. The difference between two FJ Cruisers could be an inch. What we did was estimated the center point of the overall travel and we hit JUST under the halfway point. For example, on the FJ Cruiser seat we have access to, we got the following measurements from cushion to seat rail mounting bolt: • 4.375" on the low setting • 6.187" on the high setting So on the Tolerance Stack mount with the scheel-mann seat we placed the height at: • 5.0625"
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On my FJ Cruiser the seat belt mount isn't flat compared to the pics, why?We should point out that we are constantly educating ourselves to the small differences between the Tacoma and the FJC mounting setup. In this instance the seat belt mounting bracket is different. On the Tacoma it's flat and on the FJC it has an offset for the armrest and the side seat lift ratcheting arm. Otherwise it mounts the same but just needs a longer mounting bolt which we will supply.
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The FJ Cruiser seat has a major problem with the ratcheting arm's mechanism causing noise and unwanted movements. Does switching out the seats help?Absolutely. The function of that arm found on FJC's, and 4th Gen 4Runners, is to be able to adjust the seat bottom up or down a few inches. That mechanism does NOT transfer over to the Tolerance-Stack mounting brackets. In fact you will only need the rails, feet, and front slider handle. Everything else, including the ratcheting arm, goes away.
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For a 2010 FJ Cruiser, can I still use my ARB twin under the driver seat?Although we don't have 100% certainty because we do not have a vehicle here to test with, so this info so this is preliminary, but by all accounts it does appear as though the ARB twin should be able to fit without an issue as seen in these renders without the need of the seat lifts. That being said this "assumes" the FJ seat height being at least at the half-way point for you where it currently fits under the OEM seat.
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How much difference in the seat travel or how much is the seat further back when using the 6'2" seat setting?Leg room and seat travel are about the same as stock in the S position. The T position moves the seat back ~1.5” but it comes at the expense of the back seat room. Basically if you are not maxing out the travel of the seat now the S position is what we recommend.
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How much of the under-seat wire harness is used on the driver's side when removing the FJ Cruiser seat?When removing the FJ Cruiser seat, you will reuse all of the under-seat wire harness except for the airbag connector (the yellow one), which stays with the seat. This includes the driver side position/proximity sensor and the seat belt harness. Essentially, everything that plugs into the harness at the floor will be reused.
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Why are my airbag and seat belt light illuminated after doing the seat upgrade?After upgrading your OEM Toyota seats to Scheel-Mann seats using the Tolerance Stack adapter, the wiring harnesses need to be plugged back in to function properly. In this instance the customer has both the seat belt light and the airbag light illuminated on their 2022 Tacoma. Since both the seat belt and the occupancy sensor are completely different circuits, they only way they could be related is from the connector that combines both of those circuits. It needs to be fully seated.
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So I installed the Scheelmann Driver side seat with the Tolerance Stack in my 2018 Tacoma yesterday. Everything worked afterward and no “error” lights. Installed the passenger side today. Attempted the manual Calibration. Didn’t work it throws up the red Seatbelt dash light, the red Airbag dash light and the orange x2 Airbag light.We would suggest to first tilt the seat back and make sure you have all the connectors fully plugged in and seated. The ones from the floor, the occupancy sensor computer (black box w/ 2 large connectors), the seat belt connector (harness to harness), and the ones into the four sensors themselves. If anything is not communicating then all the lights will come on similar to what you are describing.
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